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JRA55-do v1.5.0 spinup with increased vertical diffusivity #14
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It would be great to output boundary forcing for a potential future IAF Panantarctic MOM6 run (and other regional domains? Any interest for EAC boundary forcing @ChrisC28?). |
oh yeah - good idea! |
also see https://arccss.slack.com/archives/C6PP0GU9Y/p1661474305628449 |
Summary of slack / email discussions:
Adding diagnostics from above comments:
There hasn't been any other interest in this run, so I would vote for not saving standard diagnostics and only saving the above list. This should cut SU costs by perhaps ~25%. We then just need to decide what years to run and save diagnostics for. I guess @jemmajeffree wants the whole thing. How about we use 1958-1978 as spinup, where we only save monthly temp, salt, ty_trans_rho. Then save all the extra daily diagnostics for 1979-2018. |
I think we also need eta, right @angus-g ? Anything else we are missing there? One catch is whether we want to force other domains with the IAF? Should we output BCs for EAC, Tasman, etc? |
I'm proposing to save global daily eta, temp, salt, u, v, because @sakov wants those anyway and then we can use them for any regional setup boundary forcing. |
Ideally 48, but 24 would do almost equally well. It is more important to get the right initial conditions to address concerns in this regard.
If space is an issue then these can be in float or compressed (and 3-daily AFAIC) |
@sakov I recall you saying 3-4 decimal digits in the daily outputs would be sufficient for static ensemble generation, right? @adele157 precision reduction can be done as a post-processing step by adapting these: We should decide what precision is appropriate for Pavel, regional BCs and other applications, e.g. particle tracking. |
The run will be in 3-month segments. The current config will save every restart ( @sakov will 1 Jan be an appropriate time of year for you? |
yep |
1 September seems more convenient, aiming at the upcoming Antarctic season. This if the new ensemble will make a difference and we decide to replace the current Demonstrator run with the new one. (Optimistic scenario.) Otherwhile it does not matter. September/March can also be better time of the year to start the ice model, near the yearly maximum/minimum, while 1 January is in a middle of the melting/freezing season... |
With 3mo runs you'll have a choice between 1 Jan, 1 Apr, 1 Jul or 1 Oct - which of those would be preferable? |
Is there a reason why we can't start stagger the start so our 3 month starts hit 1 Sep? Ie run a 2 month segment and then 3 month segments or start from 1 Mar and ignore the first two months of forcing? |
Yeah I guess we could do that but it would make it a bit messy having output files that straddle 2 years |
More finely resolved density binning for abyssal waters has also been suggested. However, at present the bin size is uniform so we can't improve resolution in the deep ocean without getting way too much data in shallower depths. It would be better to have adjustable bin sizes. It looks like @rmholmes made a start on this here mom-ocean/MOM5@43dae7d |
1 October, I guess |
I think for the overturning we should just choose the upper bin to be a very dense value, and not bother saving the upper ocean data. Can anyone see a problem with that? @jemmajeffree, if we go this route, can you advise on upper and lower bins limits and how many levels would suit your purposes? |
Oh, that's a good idea @adele157 -- not sure what Jemma thinks but I would advocate going to about 1035.5 so that you get most of the AMOC as well as all of the abyssal cell. |
So, if we kept 75 diagnostic levels but reduced the range to be (1035,1037.5) then d\rho would reduce from ~0.13 to ~0.033. Is that sufficient? Or do we need finer? |
That should be fine enough; I'm just checking now what happens when you use that resolution |
For downscaling for region models do you plan on also outputting daily surface fluxes (t,s,stresses) as well as u,v,t,s,eta? |
@bkgf we've been forcing MOM6 regional models with JRA55-do, so hadn't thought about saving surface fluxes. What do you force your regional models with? We could definitely consider this if it would be of use. Also is it worth thinking about saving sea ice fluxes if we want to do smaller regional Antarctic domains? We can't do sea ice boundary conditions with SIS2, but once we couple with CICE6 we may be able to. Anyone know what's needed for sea ice boundary forcing? Would it be much extra to save? Or is that too far off in the future it's not worth planning for yet? |
Fluxes are useful for some experiments, but if you have a sea ice model I think forcing with the atmospheric state is a better solution. |
For saving data, I think we should add minimal monthly data. For 3D fields this could be:
which is a subset of what is default. I wouldn't do any squared fields for this run, but I would save most of the standard monthly 2D fields. That would be about it ... |
We also run experiments with surface fluxes only - to reduce complexity - and to tune the fluxes to get the spatial extent of polynyas closer to reality - something sea ice models still can't do. Im interested to move our boundary condition data to be something the Australian community can provide, and to start thinking about how future climate experiments can be consistently downscaled. At the moment we use reanalysis products including ERA-Interim, ECCO, and sea ice production from satellite measurments.
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Ben, which variables do you need for the fluxes? And at what temporal
resolution? I guess if these are only 2D they may not be too expensive.
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We also run experiments with surface fluxes only - to reduce complexity -
and to tune the fluxes to get the spatial extent of polynyas closer to
reality - something sea ice models still can't do.
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Fluxes are useful for some experiments, but if you have a sea ice model I
think forcing with the atmospheric state is a better solution.
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Just noting that the diffusivity settings from @AndyHoggANU's run
are not actually what we'd intended to use - see COSIMA/ACCESS-OM2-Temp-Biases#1 (comment). Do we still want to use these settings? |
@jemmajeffree FYI 01deg_jra55v140_iaf_cycle4 used 160 density steps from 1028-1038, which might be a small improvement for you https://github.com/COSIMA/01deg_jra55_iaf/blob/01deg_jra55v140_iaf_cycle4/ocean/input.nml#L151 |
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I'm having second thoughts about what year to start the daily output (for @sakov and for forcing regional models). I had planned to start saving it in 1979. But for regional models forced by the IAF, we'll need a spinup period as well right? Maybe 10 years of spinup? So do we want 1970-1979 for spinup, then 1980-2018 for analysis? Or is that too much data to save? |
A quick check of the biases in this new run: That red blob just north of the equator looks to be getting worse. |
We are setting up a new ACCESS-OM2-01 IAF spinup correcting the subsurface cold temperature bias by increasing the vertical diffusivity near the equator. The main purpose is to generate restart files with smaller bias for Pavel's data assimilation, but we'll use JRA55-do v1.5.0 instead of v1.4.0 so we get something else out of the run while we're at it.
Investigations of the temperature bias are documented here
COSIMA/access-om2#134
COSIMA/ACCESS-OM2-Temp-Biases#1
Andy's previous bias-correcting run from 1958-2004 with JRA55-do v1.4 is here
/home/157/amh157/payu/01deg_jra55_iaf_KvJ09
/g/data/ik11/outputs/access-om2-01/01deg_jra55v140_iaf_KvJ09/
JRA55do v1.5.0 corrects some errors in v1.4 - see COSIMA/access-om2#247
Diagnostic output will probably be minimal but we could output extra diagnostics if there's any demand for that.
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