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New York Times changed the wordlist, again #46

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hackerb9 opened this issue Nov 11, 2022 · 6 comments
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New York Times changed the wordlist, again #46

hackerb9 opened this issue Nov 11, 2022 · 6 comments

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According to https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/07/crosswords/wordle-editor.html, the NYT Wordle Game now has a human editor. I do not quite understand why that was seen as necessary, but the upshot is their wordlist has diverged. I do not yet know if the new wordlist is downloadable. Here's an excerpt from the article:

Tracy Bennett, who joined The Times as an associate puzzle editor in 2020, will be the editor of Wordle. The game will have a Times-curated word list and will be programmed and tested like the Spelling Bee and the Crossword.

Wordle’s gameplay will stay the same, and answers will be drawn from the same basic dictionary of answer words, with some editorial adjustments to ensure that the game stays focused on vocabulary that’s fun, accessible, lively and varied.

The answer list will consist of five-letter words that fit those criteria, with the exception of plural forms of three- or four-letter words that end in “ES” or “S.” That is, the answer will never be FOXES or SPOTS, but it might be GEESE or FUNGI. As the game is currently designed, FOXES or SPOTS can be used as a guess word to help narrow down the answer, but FOXES or SPOTS will not be the answer.

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bgri commented Nov 11, 2022

Interesting. I guess from an 'importance' perspective having an editor is a good thing. NYT seems to think it's worthwhile to put resources available to the game. Practically that person would only be needed to review wordlists should the meaning of a word change due to cultural reasons. But then, they don't have to scramble to find the person to do the work... they have one on tap. Likely is one of many hats they wear.

As for downloadable, yeah, who knows if they keep the current process, or change the game to have a 'live' word only. Again, from a resource perspective, it's cheaper for them to have all the computing occur on a remote device vs their hardware. Less back-and-forth too. But it depends on their motivation I guess.

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hackerb9 commented Nov 11, 2022

Looks like the last day we were in sync was November 3rd 6th.

Date M100LE
(NYT Feb 2022)
Wordle
(NYT Nov 2022)
M100LE Ordinal Holiday
2022/304, Monday, Oct. 31 APTLY APTLY 2022/304
2022/305, Tuesday, Nov. 1 PINEY PINEY 2022/305
2022/306, Wednesday, Nov. 2 INEPT INEPT 2022/306
2022/307, Thursday, Nov. 3 ALOUD ALOUD 2022/307
2022/308, Friday, Nov. 4 PHOTO PHOTO 2022/308
2022/309, Saturday, Nov. 5 DREAM DREAM 2022/309
2022/310, Sunday, Nov. 6 STALE STALE 2022/310
2022/311, Monday, Nov. 7 UNITE BEGIN 2025/331 Beginning of new
wordle editor's tenure
2022/312, Tuesday, Nov. 8 SNARL SPELL 2022/318
2022/313, Wednesday, Nov. 9 BAKER RAINY 2022/334
2022/314, Thursday, Nov. 10 THERE UNITE 2022/311
2022/315, Friday, Nov. 11 GLYPH MEDAL 2024/323 Veteran's day
2022/316, Saturday, Nov. 12 POOCH VALET 2022/341
2022/317, Sunday, Nov. 13 HIPPY INANE 2022/327
2022/318, Monday, Nov. 14 SPELL MAPLE 2024/329 Autumn?
2022/319, Tuesday, Nov. 15 FOLLY SNARL 2022/312
2022/320, Wednesday, Nov. 16 LOUSE BAKER 2022/313
2022/321, Thursday, Nov. 17 GULCH THERE 2022/314
2022/322, Friday, Nov. 18 GODLY GLYPH 2022/315
2022/323, Saturday, Nov. 19 THREW AVERT 2022/343
2022/324, Sunday, Nov. 20 FLEET BRAVE 2024/43 Transgender Day
of Remembrance

The column M100LE Ordinal is the Julian date of when the official Wordle word should have shown up, according to the word list M100LE is using (NYT Feb 22). Note that so far the words have mostly been picked from nearby, with the exceptions being BEGIN (the very first word), MEDAL (Veterans' Day), MAPLE (unclear, autumn?), and BRAVE (the day after a mass shooting at an LGBTQ dance club in Colorado).

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bgri commented Nov 13, 2022

Well, I just tried to grab the list using the old methods that worked when it wasn't a NYT product. No joy.

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hackerb9 commented Nov 13, 2022

Well, shoot. I guess M100LE will have to forge its own path forward. Back to the original Josh Wardle list? Continue with the February 2022 NYT list? Something else?

Why we might want something else: I think the biggest motivation for having an editor is that there were some offensive words that slipped by Josh Wardle, even though he had tried to remove them. For example, on that NYT article there was a comment from a person who had grown up being called various racist epithets and had felt it all come back when the answer to the Wordle recently was SPADE. (I'm not old enough to remember that as a slur, but I can see how you wouldn't want SPADE randomly thrust in front of you without any context, like gardening or playing cards.)

If M100LE has its own word list, should we consider replacing words that the dictionary marks as offensive? I ran a quick script to check for them and there are no more coming up for this year, but there will be about one per year starting next year.

Click to see potentially offensive words

2021: (none)
2022: SPADE
2023: QUEER
2024: MAMMY
2025: CHICK
2026: BROAD, PADDY
2027: BUTCH

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(By the way today's M100LE is your special word! I can't believe NYT changed just in time to miss it.)

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bgri commented Nov 13, 2022

Good point. I'm ok with drifting away from both of those. Maybe we can substitute words related to this hobby (TANDY, DEBUG, etc) <- not checked to see if they exist already...

re: debug word... heh, yeah, those bums! :)

Speaking of debug, not sure that code is needed.. I'm working on improving Congrats/Sorry msg and am thinking this code is a fine example of spaghetti code - from the way I was evolving it. If removing sections (like debug) makes it easier, I'm ok with it.

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